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 gvamebi saWdiT `vargisia 08.08.08-mde

 (saagento `novosti _ azerbaijanis~ eqskluziuri interviu damoukidebel qarTvel politolog arno xidirbegiSvilTan)

 

 

_ batono arno, 23 noembers `vardebis revolucias~ xuTi wlisTavi Seusrulda, magram TqvenTan is, gasuli wlebisagan gansxvavebiT, erTob TavSekavebulad aRniSnes, da es gasagebicaa: saqarTvelos xelisuflebam, albaT, gaigo, rom dRes qveyanas ar edResaswauleba...

 

_ Tqven cdebiT, saqarTvelos xelisuflebas araferi gaugia; ubralod, rogorc cnobilia, gaCerebuli saaTic dRe-RameSi orjer swor dros aCvenebs... mTel qarTul istebliSments _ pozicias, opozicias (iSviaTi gamonaklisebis garda) da a.S. politologebs dRemde ver gaugiaT, rom 2008 wlis 8 agvistos Semdeg msoflio calpolaruli ukve aRar aris! Tumca es axali realoba Seicno mTelma msofliom _ iseTi figurebic ki, rogorebic arian madlen olbraiti da havier solana, dRes saubroben imis Sesaxeb, rom amerikis SeerTebulma Statebma unda ganaxorcielos moraluri politika, daubrundes demokratiuli saxelmwifos CarCoebs, gaafarToos urTierToba saerTaSoriso organizaciebTan, iswavlos da mousminos iseT qveynebs, rogorebicaa ruseTi da CineTi.

gana swori ar aRmovCndi, rodesac saagento `novosti _ azerbaijanTan~ interviuSi mimdinare wlis 17 seqtembers ganvacxade, rom ruseTis saerTaSoriso izolacia hgavs saiqio cxovrebis miTs; vin aRmoCnda dRes izolaciaSi _ saqarTvelo Tu ruseTi?! vin, poloneTis prezidentis kaCinskis garda (visac aSkarad ar aRiareben sakuTari ministrebic da visac Tavis savarZelSi jdomis sul ramdenime TveRa darCa), Camovida CvenTan `didi TariRis~ mosalocad?!

magram, Tu adre sxvadasxvagvari Souebis mTavari momwyobi saqarTvelos xelisufleba iyo, dRes `es saxelovani tradicia~ misgan, rogorc etyoba, gadaiRo opoziciam. miTxariT erTi, ra logikiTaa, rom politikuri opozicia qveyanaSi, romelmac sami Tvis winaT dakarga Tavisi teritoriis 20 procenti, mitingze telekompania `imedis~ win Tqvengan zemoxsenebuli `vardebis revoluciis~ xuT wlisTavze Tavis did gamarjvebad acxadebs... amave telekompaniis xelmZRvanelobis gadawyvetilebas eTerSi politikuri Toq-Souebis ganaxlebis Sesaxeb?! imave dros ki leiboristuli partiis iniciativa saqarTvelos dRevandeli xelisuflebis gadadgomis sayovelTao moTxovnis Sesaxeb rCeba `xmad mRaRadeblisad udabnosa Sina~?!

_ maS, vis uWers mxars dRes yvelaze metad sazogadoeba, qarTveli xalxi?

_ saqarTvelos sazogadoeba dRes zombirebulia `galvanizebuli gvamebiT morgidan~ _ politikanebiT da teleekranebidan Camousvleli angaJirebuli politologebiT, eqspertebiT _ `grandWamiebiT~, romelTa `vargisianobis vada~ sabolood gavida sami Tvis winaT!.. am wlebis ganmavlobaSi daxuruli telekompaniebis _ `iberia~, `202~, `me-9 arxi~, `TrialeTi~, `odiSi~, `hereTi~, `imedi~, `mze~, `maestro~, `iveria~ _ nacvlad dagvitoves pirveli arxi `sazogadoebrivi mauwyebloba~ da gansvenebuli patarkaciSvilis arxi `imedi~, romlebsac xalxma moswrebulad `rusTavi 1~ da `rusTavi 3~ uwoda (samTavrobo telearx `rusTavi 2~-is analogiiT); agreTve, `alania~, romelic Tavdapirvelad Cafiqrebuli iyo, rogorc samxreT oseTis de iure xelisuflebis arxi, da telekompania `kavkasia~, romelic antirusul ritorikaSi ar CamorCeba zemoxsenebulebs.

_ ki, magram, albaT, aseTia sazogadoebrivi SekveTac! Tu am telegadacemebs uyureben, maSasadame, isini saqarTvelos sazogadoebis moTxovniTaa...

_ swori brZandebiT! da es aris mTeli ubedurebac; iseTi xelisuflebis gaZleba, rogoric Cvenia, SeiZleba mxolod sazogadoebaSi, sadac gadaketilia masobrivi informaciis saSualebebis yvela ukontrolo wyaro da sadac cenzuris qveS myofi masobrivi informaciis saSualebebi sazogadoebas informaciis magivrad sTavazoben propagandas da sazogadoeba mas `moixmars~! Semdeg ki vCiviT, rom wavageT sainformacio omi: arada, misi waugebloba rogor SeiZleboda, roca ruseTis masobrivi informaciis saSualebebis aqtiuri oponirebis nacvlad Cven `gavebuteT~ ruseTs da xelisuflebam reintegraciis ministris _ iakobaSvilis iniciativiT gadauketa saqarTvelos mosaxleobas (Sesabamisad _ qarTvel Jurnalistebsac) ruseTis yvela saiti da telearxi?! SeiZleba normalurad iTvlebodes saxelmwifo da adekvaturad _ xelisufleba, romelic ebuteba sxva qveyanas?! rogor movigebdiT sainformacio oms, roca saxelmwifoSi saerTod ar arsebobs sainformacio politika da teleeTerSi mTeli dRe-Ramis ganmavlobaSi erTi da igive saxeebi Canan _ oci-ocdaaTi `polit-mqadagebeli~?! gana maT ar unda `vumadlodeT~ siZulvilis Tesvas yovelive rusulisadami? da es xdeba saqarTveloSi, romelic ZvelTaganve cnobili iyo Tavisi tolerantobiTa da stumarTmoyvareobiT?! gabedavs ki dRes vinme saqarTveloSi, moawyos aqcia `me rusi var!~, im aqciis analogiiT, romelic moawyves rusebma SarSan moskovSi qarTvelTa ruseTidan deportaciis damamcirebeli formis pasuxad, Caicvas maisuri warweriT `me rusi var!~ da gamovides quCaSi (unitazi ki ar miaTrios ruseTis saelCosTan!)? da asea yoveldRe _ viyoT gaCumebuli, xma ar amoviRoT, araferi vTqvaT, velodoT, davuTmoT, ukan davixioT, anda sulac vilaCroT, riTac sazogadoebidan da xalxidan gadaviqceT masad, Semdeg ki _ brbod da naxirad, romelsac mierekebian `mwyemsebi~ _ xelisufleba, masonebi, `gru~ Tu `cru~, amas ukve raRa mniSvneloba aqvs.

5 aTasi qarTveli, romlebic 1795 wels ori dRis ganmavlobaSi gaafTrebul winaaRmdegobas uwevdnen 35-aTasian sparseTis jars, sanam maTgan mxolod 150 kaci ar darCa cocxali, mefe  (erekle meore, romelic ver eRirsa ruseTis jarebis daxmarebas, maSin xmliT 72 Wriloba miiRo, magram mainc agrZelebda brZolas, vidre ZaliT ar Camosves unagiridan misma jariskacebma) da qarTvelebi, romlebic nebas rTaven, gamourTon maT interneti da telearxebi 21-e saukuneSi _ eseni erTi da igive qarTvelebi arian?!

_ magram ruseTmac xom gadaketa qarTuli internet-saitebi...

_ diax, es kargi gakveTili iyo ruseTisTvis, romelmac amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi ver SeZlo Seeqmna saqarTveloSi rusuli lobi yvela erovnebis, pirvel rigSi ki _ qarTvelebis Rirseuli warmomadgenlebisgan! amis nacvlad aqcenti keTdeboda umecrebaze, rasTanac rus Cinovnikebsa da diplomatebs sulac ar uWirdaT `gaerecxaT~ mcire, Tumca saqarTveloSi mainc Semodinebuli fuli sxvadasxva humanitaruli daxmarebis programebis saxiT rusi Tanamemamuleebisadmi, odiozur, magram saqmeSi Semowmebul yofil partiul funqcionerebze, `kgb~-s, `mvd~-s TanamSromlebze, inteligenciis warmomadgenlebze, romlebsac aqvT or-ori pasporti, bina moskovSi da TavianTi sagastrolo interesebi moskovSi.

samwuxarod, darwmunebuli var, rom ruseTis xelmZRvanelobam ver gamoitana aqedan saTanado daskvna da, rodesac mowesrigdeba ruseT-saqarTvelos urTierToba (es ki aucileblad moxdeba!), igi mainc `moefereba~ `firfitaSecvlil~ inteligentebs da `dRis sinaTleze kvlav gamosul~ adgilobrivi Camosxmis `rus patriotebs~ da arc miaqcevs yuradRebas maT, iseve, rogorc qarTuli politistebliSmentis saWdes `vargisia 08.08.08-mde~...

_ ratom ar SeqmeniT Tqven, qarTvelebma, amdeni xnis ganmavlobaSi qarTuli lobi ruseTSi, sadac gyavT milioniani diaspora, uamravi, yvelasgan pativsacemi saxelovani da mdidari xalxi?

_ diax, Tqven SeexeT yvelaze mtkivneul wertils: azerbaijanelebisgan gansxvavebiT (rom aRaraferi vTqvaT somxebze, romlebsac hyavT TavianTi lobi ara mxolod ruseTSi, aramed amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis kongresSic ki), Cven, qarTvelebma ar vizruneT Cveni saerTo interesebis dacvisTvis da dRemde ver SevqmeniT ruseTSi gavleniani qarTuli lobi, garda... qurdulisa. iseve rogorc, sxvaTaSoris, yvela sxva qveyanaSi _ safrangeTSi, amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi, espaneTSi, saberZneTSi, TurqeTSi, inglisSi, sadac qarTvelTa mniSvnelovani raodenoba cxovrobs. erT-erTi mTavari mizezi, vfiqrob, unda veZeboT qarTuli mentalobis uaryofiT TvisebaSi, romelic istoriuladaa cnobili _ qarTvel TavadTa saufliswulo adgilufrosoba da egoizmi, romelsac jer kidev me-12 saukuneSi ebrZoda daviT aRmaSenebeli da rasac maSinac saqarTvelos gaTiSulobamde mivyavdiT. magram dRes amaSi marto ruseTis milioniani qarTuli diasporis dadanaSauleba usamarTlobad mimaCnia: Cveni Tanamemamuleebi iq saqarTvelos sazogadoebis is yvelaze saukeTeso da energiuli nawilia, romelic jer kidev komunisturi droidan wavida TavisTvis did diskomfortze da gadaiqca namdvil ltolvilad, romelic iZulebuli iyo, daetovebina samSoblo _ saqarTvelo da saSovarze wasuliyo ruseTSi. ruseTma miiRo isini, misca SesaZlebloba (Tumca _ mZime SromiT) ara mxolod Rirseulad mowyobiliyo meore samSobloSi (Tanac, yvelaze xSirad _ Tavad moskovSi), aramed mudmivad daxmareboda saqarTveloSi mcxovreb Tavis naTesavebsa da axloblebs. miliardi dolari weliwadSi (yvelaze martivi daangariSebiT) _ daxmarebis es nakadi ruseTs arasodes gadauketia _ arc SarSandeli `jaSuSuri skandalis~ dros, arc axla, saqarTvelosTan omis dros! Cven ki davxmarebivarT maT raimeTi, rom ukeT ecxovraT ucxoeTSi? gavxseniT iq Tundac erTi qarTuli skola?! ara, magram samagierod, Cven gavyideT moskovSi erTaderTi qarTuli kulturis centri `mziuri~, riTac wavarTviT Cvens Tanamemamuleebs Sexvedrebis erTaderTi adgili (garda eklesiisa bolSaia gruzinskaias quCaze).

Cven, qarTvelebma, romlebic saqarTveloSi vcxovrobT, Cveni moqmedebiTa da umoqmedobiT xeli SevuwyveT saqarTveloSi 5 wlis winaT dRevandeli xelisuflebis mosvlas da mis mmarTvelobas mTeli am drois ganmavlobaSi _ xelisuflebisa, romelmac, nebiT Tu uneblieT, ruseTTan omamde migviyvana, riTac didi problemebi Seuqmna Cvens Tanamemamuleebs, romlebic iq, praqtikulad, mZevlebad SeiZleba qceuliyvnen?! magram, sabednierod, es ar moxda. arc imas daviviwyebT, rom saqarTvelodan gasul yvela moqalaqes, romlebsac surT, iq mudmivad cxovreba, ruseTma misca Tavisi moqalaqeoba, misca imis SesaZlebloba, rom moaxdinos ruseTis sazogadoebaSi integrireba (kavkasiis bevri xalxisa da erovnebis warmomadgenlebisagan _ magaliTad, mesxeTeli Turqebisgan gansxvavebiT, romlebic aseve saqarTvelodan arian gamosuli), moqalaqeoba ki _ es ara mxolod uflebebia, aramed valdebulebebic! saqarTvelos parlamentma ki, romelic Cven avirCieT, CamoarTva maT saqarTvelos moqalaqeoba. saintereso ram xdeba _ `keTilganwyobiT~ ruseTi maT aZlevs saSualebas, dagvexmaron da saqarTvelos saSinao fulad mimoqcevaSi `Cadon~ erT miliard dolarze meti; Cven ki  vaiZulebT, uari Tqvan saqarTvelos moqalaqeobaze ruseTis moqalaqeobis miRebamde. magram, vfiqrob, rom qarTuli lobi ruseTSi mainc arsebobs; ra vuyoT, rom iseTi Zlieri araa, rogorc somxuri, magram saamisod bevri mizezi arsebobs da erTi maTgani, zemoaRniSnuli qarTuli mentalitetis uaryofiTi Taviseburebis garda, agreTvewminda politikuri realiebia: somxeTi yovelTvis iyo da rCeba ruseTis strategiuli partniori kavkasiaSi, da miuxedavad amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi Zlieri lobisa, sadac oTxjer meti somexi cxovrobs, vidre Tavad somxeTSi, mas arasodes Seucvlia prorusuli orientacia (saqarTvelosgan gansxvavebiT)! Tundac is gavixsenoT, rom, rodesac somxeTis xelisuflebaSi mosvlas Seecadnen proamerikulad ganwyobili politikosebi demirWianis meTaurobiT, somxebs uari ar uTqvamT uprecedento nabijze _ SeWriliyvnen parlamentSi da moexdinaT arasasurvelTa likvidacia avtomatebis jeriT...

_ Tqven yovelTvis saubrobdiT saxelmwifo da samxedro neitralitetis, rogorc saqarTvelos gadarCenis erTaderTi xsnis Sesaxeb. ukanasknel xans saqarTveloSi saxelmwifo neitralitetis Sesaxeb laparaki sxvebmac daiwyes. xom ar niSnavs es am ideis popularobas saqarTvelos sazogadoebaSi?

_ amis Sesaxeb marto me rodi vlaparakobdi. internetSi yvelas SeuZlia gaecnos globalizaciis problemebis kvlevis centris xelmZRvanelis, mecnierebaTa doqtoris aleqsandre WaWias brwyinvale publikaciebs saxelmwifo neitralitetis Temaze saqarTvelosTan damokidebulebaSi...

xolo im batonebs, vinc dRes daiwyo saubari saqarTvelos neitralitetze, vfiqrob, saxelmwifo neitraliteti warmoudgeniaT neitraluri siCqaris msgavs raRacad avtomobilis transmisiaSi, romlis drosac mas adgilidan ver daZrav... me neitraliteti mWirdeboda 08.08.08-mde, rogorc saqarTvelos teritoriuli mTlianobis aRdgenis saSualeba. magram risTvis dasWirdaT am batonebs igi amJamad?! `savarZlebisTvis kremlidan~, risi imedic maT, albaT, aqvT?!

samagierod, me dRes gavige, rom politikas, Turme aqvs erovneba; magaliTad, arsebobs qarTuli politika... imedi maqvs, rom gamoTqma `qarTuli politika~ drois ganmavlobaSi ar gaxdeba am xalxis wyalobiT iseTive sayovelTaod cnobili samwuxaro fenomeni, rogoric `qarTuli biznesia~...

samagierod, me dRes gavige, rom omi saqarTveloSi daiwyo imitom, rom, rogorc Cveni parlamentis spikerma daviT baqraZem Tqva, saqarTvelos xelisuflebas unda gaekeTebina arCevani or Rirebulebas _ mSvidobasa da sicocxles (?!) Soris, da saqarTvelos xelisuflebam airCia sicocxle, rogorc yvelaze didi Rirebuleba... (?!)

samagierod, me dRes vici, rom, rogorc saqarTvelos Tavdacvis ministris moadgilem, batonma quTeliam Tqva, CvenTvis mTavaria ara `mapi~, aramed _ nato da, rogorc man aRiara erT-erT interviuSi, ruseTis sapasuxo moqmedebani TbilisisaTvis moulodneli gaxda, Tumca prezidenti saakaSvili amtkicebs, ruseTma pirvelma daiwyoo...

roman temnikovi,

baqo, 2008 wlis 26 noemberi